Getting a Word in, Edgewise

by Jan Galligan & Lillian Mulero

Waiting for the conversation to begin at Conservatorio de Musica de Puerto Rico

"Celebrity distorts democracy by giving the rich, beautiful, and famous more authority than they deserve," says Maureen Dowd. Her new book, The Year of Voting Dangerously: The Derangement of American Politics will be released on Sept. 13.


While serving as cultural correspondents at the 2016 San Juan International Film Festival, we received an invitation to attend a Conversatorio at the Conservatorio, a talk between Maureen Dowd, political columnist for the New York Times, called by some “the most dangerous columnist in America,” and New York Times congressional reporter and Washington D.C. bureau chief, Carl Hulse, known by the nickname “The Senator.” We decided to skip the closing ceremonies of the Film Festival in favor of attending the talk, billed as a discussion on the 2016 Presidential election – Clinton vs. Trump.

Arriving early we milled around the lobby and noticed a well-heeled crowd, people who obviously read the New York Times. One table at the reception area was filled with small receiver and headphone sets for simultaneous translation, but few people were picking those up. We grabbed a couple of index cards in order to prepare our question for the audience participation section of the presentation, and found a seat in the middle of the auditorium. Lillian spotted Geraldo Rivera sitting a few rows in front of us, closer to the stage.

Dowd introduced herself by reading what might have been one of her Times columns, talking about Clinton, Trump, the election and the general sense of craziness that currently prevails. She told an anecdote about meeting privately with president Obama, thinking he was going to give her an scoop or some inside information. Instead, he told her to her face just how annoying her found her. Hulse, gave an extemporaneous presentation of his experiences among the senators in D.C., and then told a lengthy anecdote about being invited to the White House to watch a Chicago Bears football game with president Obama, both Hulse and Obama being natives of Illinois and fanatic supporters of the Bears. That time the Bears were thoroughly trounced by the Packers. The story, intended an amusing encounter with the president, fell flat – as most of the audience had no knowledge or interest in American football. Both Dowd and Hulse seemed to favor Clinton in her contest against Trump and their analysis suggests that she has a good chance to prevail in November. Dowd characterized Trump as a clinical narcissist who is running his campaign on a moment to moment basis, unplanned, seemingly spontaneous, and subject to the ups and downs of the news cycle. Hulse said that there is no doubt that Trump wants to win; the question being what will he do if he doesn't. Both Hulse and Dowd related a lunch they attended last June at Trump's invitation, held in the Trump Tower dining hall. Over plates of meatballs and spaghetti (“which Trump barely touched,” said Hulse) they discussed his problems with the Republican party and other issues of the moment. They said that they were surprised to find him to be both friendly and solicitous in person. Characterizing Clinton, they both agreed that despite her cool, wonkish public persona, in private they said in unison, “she is a hoot.”

When the time came for questions from the audience, we handed in our card and waited to see if it would make the cut. There was just time for a handful of audience inquiries. They mostly dealt with questions about the two candidates, their chances, and possible post-election scenarios. Our question, which turned out to be the last one of the night and the only question specific to current affairs here on the island, concerned the political and economic future of Puerto Rico. Knowing Geraldo Rivera would be listening, we had asked: Can you speculate on the PROMESA process, politically and economically? What might be the outcome by the time of the 2020 presidential election? Dowd deferred to Hulse for the response, saying she had given him responsibility to be ready for such a question. He said that he had actually followed the issue closely in discussions with congressmen involved in the legislation that established PROMESA. He gave a carefully worded explanation that he appreciated the sensitivity of the issue to the people of the island, calling it the “third-rail” issue of the moment. He explained that he lived in D.C. when a fiscal control board was appointed by Congress to oversee the capital city fiscal crisis of the late 1990s. He contended that however painful the process, the outcome for the city had been positive and that by 2001 the city had completed four consecutive years of balanced budget. He said he hoped for a similar outcome for Puerto Rico in the near future.

Maureen Dowd and Carl Hulse of the New York Times in conversation at
the Conservatorio de Musica de Puerto Rico, September 7, 2016